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Bunnings Fail/bargain in Perth

Discussion in 'TotePonics - IBC - CHOP Systems' started by Roadside Raider, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. Roadside Raider

    Roadside Raider New Member

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  2. Yabbies4me

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    Nice gesture RR, but...

    You would give your hard earned dollars to Wesfarmers, one of the biggest conglomerates in the country, over Joel, or any other small retailer... all to save $4.00???

    I don't recall Bunnings giving free aquaponics advice, or constructing, monitoring and maintaining an online forum for like minded aquaponics people to share AP knowledge... all supplied free of charge, for your convenience, without obligation!

    I urge you to stop and reconsider next time you need to buy a few bags of clay, or any other products… I don’t know about you RR, and it may be because I own a small business, but whenever I contemplate making a purchase, I always consider the little local guy first. I only purchase from Bunnings, or similar… as a last resort, ie: The local small business doesn’t have what I want, or isn’t in the ballpark in regards to price!

    Also, if you're buying a few bags, I'm pretty sure if you asked in the right way and were willing to reciprocate by showing some loyalty, that Joel and most other stockists of expanded clay would "flex" a little on price.

    Cheers, Yabbies.
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  3. dbird

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    I totally agree with you yabbies,We get our fair share of them at times they come to us for all the free advise and then brag about how they got something from elsewhere for a few dollars less which is usually a poor copy of ours anyway.Some even ask us to fix up the lemon that they bought elsewhere.Buying the cheapest is starting to come back and bight us all now,if you have a good product you are forcest to make a decision whether to cut your quality to stay in the market or close the door or not give any service .
    I hope that Queenlanders will think of what Murray does for them also when they want something.
    Cheers Don.
     
  4. Yabbies4me

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    Too right Don, if people keep supporting Bunnings over the local small business... in a few years they won't have any other choice... and they'll have to get all their aquaponics advice from some of them "quality" e-books that are getting around, or worse... a 17yo expert at Bunnings!

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  5. Roadside Raider

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    Yea i see your point. i was giving the information out to people like me on a single income with 2 kids and a mortgage, you say 4 dollars a bag i say.. 6 bags per ibc x 3 ibcs that's 18 bags at $40 each. $720 for someone to set up there ibc system. and even more if they go to a bigger system. so they save $72 if they do it this way .if the information i gave helps people like me save especially in these hard times, then im all for it. i spent over $500 so far on setting up my ibc system and i haven't grown a single plant or fish and i used mostly recycled parts and did it on the cheap. im also trialing a new idea and will be giving out all my findings to this forum to try and help others from making the same mistakes as me, i support local business's all the time. and always give out information to people to save a buck. also i ask you this. where do you shop? coles.. woolies .. IGA? are you saying you never go to bunnings? i say stick it to bunnings bcoz they just lost $16.95 per bag.
    Peace
     
  6. Roadside Raider

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    Sorry $20.95 a bag :)
     
  7. lefty

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    if you're on a tight budget why not use gravel or blue metal?
    I shop at BYAP and Spud Shed which happens to be closeby conveniently.
    and me being a Wesfarmers shareholder...
     
  8. Roadside Raider

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    i did lefty. just sharing the love bcoz PA has done so much for me
     
  9. Murray

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    On that one Yabbies,
    Yesterday I had a bloke ring me three times asking my advice on a pump while he sits in his air conditioned study beside his wife while she trawled the internet looking for a cheap pump. (tells me he can't drive the computer)
    Hi Muzza, will this one be OK? Hi Muzza, will that one be good? Hey Muzza , what size pipe should I buy?

    "You should really get my DVD "Aquaponics DIY" there are plans, specifications and instructions"

    "Oh really, that is just what we need, is there somewhere on the internet where we can download that for free?"

    As it is we are as busy as anyway, but sometimes I really do wonder just what goes on in peoples heads.
     
  10. Castaway

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    That's the price you pay for being a rock star!
    :(
     
  11. fishfood

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    Now you know why i got disheartened with the whole thing you give good advice from experience and then they do it there way but you dident say it wouldn't work
    Then that setup has got 1 % chance of working so what happens if i do the same the other side
    its got 2 % chance of working oh but it looks better this way
     
  12. Kangaroodog

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    I guess you could contact BYAP and ask them if they will match the bunnings price... that way they get the business, your supporting a local supplier and someone who specialises in aquaponics.

    Win win IMO
     
  13. Yabbies4me

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    Yep!... My point exactly Kangaroodog:
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    Of the supermarkets, primarily IGA… simply because they are independents (Independent Grocers of Australia), the stores are owned by individuals, like you and me.
    However, a good portion of our shopping is done at even smaller stores.

    The shopping complex where our local IGA is located, also has a butchers, a green grocers, and Asian variety store all at the entrance. We buy probably 90% of our meat, fruit and veg, milk, eggs, bread, tinned goods etc, from these three stores. The fresh produce is much better quality, especially the meat, and normally cheaper as well. Any other goods that can’t be bought at the three smaller stores are bought primarily from IGA, and very occasionally from Coles or Woolies if IGA doesn’t have what we want.

    Also, when we buy milk, we buy Ferguson Valley or Harvey Fresh… not only to support a local WA business, but also because it’s produced only 130-150k’s from Perth and not over East then trucked here clocking up 1000’s of carbon miles.

    Nope!... I shop at Bunnings… if I have to!... as I said in my first post:
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    That’s not “sticking it to Bunnings”… they haven’t “lost” $20.95… they’ve just made $20.95 less profit than if they’d sold it at their full, rather inflated asking price… but they’ve still made good money. However, your local little guy has just missed out on a sale of $40 (or $36 if he’d match Bunnings). You’ve just done exactly what Bunnings wanted you to do!... taken a sale, and a rather sizeable sale at 18 bags, from a local small business and given it to them! Each time a comsumer does this, Bunnings gets stronger and the little local guys get poorer and weaker, until they ultimately close down.

    If your idea is to “stick it to Bunnings”… wouldn’t it be better to not buy it from them at all?... then instead of them making $20.95 less on the sale… they’ve lost a sale completely. On 18 bags, I’m certain that if you’d gone about it the correct way, with some discretion, you would’ve gotten that $36 price from a small local retailer.

    If Bunnings, who have MUCH bigger buying power than small retailers of expanded clay, are asking $52.95 for their 50L bags of exp’ clay when the small local retailers are only asking $40-$45 for the exact same product and even brand… doesn’t that piss you off enough to not want to deal with Bunnings from the outset?... it does me!

    You’re not Robinson Crusoe there RR!... I know a few small retailers that sell expanded clay that are in that exact position… and they’re just trying to eke out a living competing against the likes of Bunnings.

    Yep!... right back at ya!... No malice intended with the above post RR, just giving you a look at the other side of the coin.

    Cheers, Yabbies.
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  14. lefty

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    there's a pond shop in Gosnells selling expanded clay for $35/50L but different brand
     
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    If it's the "Canna" brand.. then it's only 45L....

    If it's the chinese stuff.... then at that price... it's a ripoff...
     
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    If it's not Hydroton or Hydrogran, then it's probably the Chinese or Thai stuff, but if it does the job...

    There is a downside to some of the Asian product, I know someone that has been going through the process of investigating the Asian exp' clay with a view to bringing containers of it over. He was basically offered two, or even three different prices by some of the manufacturers, the price differences related to quality.

    The cheapest stuff was very irregular in shape and size, and had lots of broken beads mixed in. Not really a concern for the average AP enthusiast, except maybe the small/broken beads blocking things up, but it's real downside, by some of the manufacturers own admissions, was that it supposedly breaks down fairly readily.

    The medium grade stuff had a more regular shape and less broken beads, but still broke down fairly readily, also the size was still fairly irregular... lots of small beads to block things up in your AP system.

    Their premium versions, which aren't really that far off the price of the Dutch/German product, has a reasonably regular shape and size and supposedly doesn't break down very readily, if at all... that's the one you want.

    Cheers.
     
  17. Roadside Raider

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    righto yabbies. feel better??

    sorry for trying to help others out.. obviously you have too much time on your hands dissecting everything i say and trying to prove a point. i get it.. your a small business owner and u dont like bunnings.. doesn't mean what i did was bad .. i think if you can set up an IBC system or and AP system without going there then you are god like. all my tools and materials came from there coz there simply is no other way. i dont like the way you are trying to belittle me by making yourself sound very smart. very nasty mate.. ill just leave it at that.
     
  18. RupertofOZ

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    Really... someone the size of Bunnings, and with their bulk buying power...

    Should be offering a cheaper price than other smaller retailers anyway... without anyone needing to prompt them for a "competitive" price discount...
     
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    I did no such thing RR, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I think you've misinterpreted the tone of the post, maybe you should come back and read it again when you've calmed down.

    Like I said at the end of the post, there was no malice intended. I was simply showing you the view from the other side of the coin, and possibly giving you some direction as to how you could achieve the same cost saving outcome for yourself next time while still dealing with and supporting your local small business.

    It was you that questioned my integrity when it came to where I shopped, whether I shopped at Bunnings and which supermarket chain I shopped at. You wanted to know if I walked the talk... I simply gave you the information you were after... I do try and walk the talk wherever possible, but as we both agree, sometimes we have to shop at Bunnings or one of the big two supermarkets... I just avoid it if at all possible, and at no point did I say you were "bad" for shopping at either... I think you're being a little over-sensitive.

    I definitely wouldn't say it was "bad" either... maybe just not well thought through.

    Take a step back and look at it from Murray and Joel's point of view for just a minute. They provide these forums on their websites free of charge and obligation, so anyone interested in AP can gain or exchange knowledge, share experiences etc. They maintain and moderate the forums, all this takes time and money... theirs.
    Then someone that is using their free sites posts a link for a product that one is selling, on the others website... simply to highlight the fact that you can use their quoted prices against them... to get the product cheaper from a large national company.

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    Hey, dont dis the Wesfarmers group, i work for them, thats slander :p
     

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