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Discussion in 'Lounge Area' started by Damon Polta, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Damon Polta

    Damon Polta Member

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    It's well known that food allergies and interances have been around for a long long time. What I'm noticing is the number in which patrons enter my place of business that have food allergies is increasing.

    I've been in the food industry for over half of my life now. My current title puts me in direct contact withpeople and their dietary needs, and what iI'm noticing is getting more and more scary with each passing month.

    About 5 years ago a steady but small stream of customers with food allergies started coming through the doors. It was about 2 years ago that we decided to put an extreme focus on handling the food allergies because they had become more common. Simple things like food substitution and specific allergen free food items... now, I don't go more than a few days without having to consult with a family about their special needs from my kitchen...

    I work at a resort where our target audience is young children, and with each passing year a new batch of children are old enough to enjoy the place, and with each passing year the number of food allergies I deal with seem to grow almost exponentially... one would think that customer return would account for this... but no business, even the best of the best, have a high enough return rate to account for the growing number of patrons with food allergies I deal with... also I'm going to throw in that staying at the resort where I'm employed costs almost $300 per night, so its not like these people are stopping by just for the food.

    I see this problem predominately in small children, mainly 5 years old and under. Rarely do I deal with an adult about their food allergies... mostly when I deal with adults its someone faking sciliac disease to not be embarrassed by the fact they are trying the Atkins diet....

    Now I know enough about bio genetics to know that we shouldn't be stepping outside the bounds of natural selection when it comes to growing food... and I'm wondering if anyone has heard of a study linking to an increase of GMO foods and the increase of overall food intolerances.

    Too boot, the most common food intolerance I deal with is gluten intolerance... gluten comes from wheat... one of the super crops... so it may not be too far of a stretch to like this growing intolerance with messing with wjears genetic code...

    Just some questioning thoughts.
     
  2. Rob

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    I don't think we're messing with genetic code (perhaps the exception being GMOs but they're fairly uncommon still in AUS).

    I think we're just eating too much crap food. Processed, nutrient void junk, that messes with how our body handles what we put in it.

    I have good experience with Irritable Bowel Syndrome / Gluten Intolerance (i'm not the sufferer) and cutting out crap food from their diets.
    It's really not that complicated, but not one doctor or nutritionist suggested anything about processed food.

    Of course they all talk about not eating McDonalds etc, but rarely consider something like bread as a processed food.

    Your body is programmed to survive, so it's going to adapt to try and process whatever gets put in it.
    Often that adaption causes other issues such as allergies and digestive problems.

    I also think the allergies can also be induced by messing with our immune system.
    This goes for vaccinations, anti-biotics, and medications. They all take their toll.

    Rob
     
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    Hi Folks ,

    This is indeed a very complex subject that us plebs can't even scatch the surface on...I reckon we should just be careful of what we eat and if we are prone to reactions then ask before we buy and consume the product...

    That's about as simple as I can put it without writing a ten thousand pge thesus on the subject lol.

    Cheers.
     
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  4. Rob

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    It is an extremely complex topic - you're right. It's probably why it's so hotly debated.

    Grains have their place. Canola oil isn't good for anything unless you can use it to fuel your car if you ask me. I would never eat that stuff.
    The move away from traditional fats that we have used for thousands of years is an issue too.

    But anyway...

    Yes. Anyone with these conditions i really feel for. Some people very close to me have suffered years of issues with varying conditions.
    They have only ever managed to get in under control with a serious change in diet to get back to simpler foods.
    But i've never once found a doctor or dietician etc who will say this.

    Anyway - it's a controversial topic i know.
    I respect everyones opinions.

    Rob
     
  5. bigdaddy

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    Anyone wondering what happened there?...

    I posted, then thought I was babbling too much...By the time I deleted, Rob had quoted me up and was replying... lol...anyway... It's all relevent

    Cheers.
     
  6. Shellshocked

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    Hi All,

    Yes this issue could be discussed at length from so many different angles it would take forever. I will prelude my comments that I don't totally agree with the next set of statements, but I did read an interesting article a while ago that followed this controversial ‘Darwinian’ type hypothesis.

    It went something like this: modern western human societies are breeding defects into themselves based on: (1) Partner selection is now based on so many non evolutionary ‘modern’ factors and no longer as so driven by the mating of complementary immunity systems. (2) Western life expectancy is much longer that of even the start of the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century so as we delay the starting of families until much later in life, we could well be adding defects through our use of older DNA to procreate.

    Provocative thinking.
     
  7. Rob

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    Ahahahaha - all good mate.

    Interesting stuff mate. I too have read an extremely controversial article a short time ago investigating the impacts of people with different ethnicities having babies together, and what that means for their genetics. Some combinations yield almost "super people" by average standards, but some people get a mix of the negative predispositions.

    And of course we all travel, many people migrate etc. We're doing many many things we're not genetically designed to do. And it all must have some impact on the body / immune / genetics.

    It is all VERY interesting.

    Rob
     
  8. Damon Polta

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    Whether naturally or manually, messing with the genetic codes of various inputs to the human condition will result in many different outcomes...

    Selective breeding for example was done with humans in the 1700s and 1800s in america to produce a docile and controllable yet physically superior race of humans basically bred for hard labor... most Americans are too guilty to talk about the slave days, but in the interest of genetics slaves were bread to be bigger and strong than normal... just like breeding draft horses...

    That being said, and unguided mixing of gentic code based on superfluous traits like who has the most swag or the rich fat guy with the fit young woman stand to go against the darwinistic nature of procreation and often times leads to the procreating process leveling off instead of allowing the species as a whole toadapt to its regional environment...

    Going with adaptations, we use technology to live in places that humans don't belong in like deserts and Arctic regions which exposes an unadapted physical body to stresses that the body wouldn't be able to handle on its own...

    Going back to the food we eat, for millions of hears people have adapted to handle the food if their regions. Now that we have a global market, people eat food from around the world that would not have normally been in their traditionally adaptive lineage. Now adding GMOs to this factor only stands to add more variables to the chaos of having more than your genetic history was used too.

    Its a messy topic and nailing down even a few variables as to what contributes to the food intolerances most would be more than an up hill battle because many things have changed in the past 100 years alone as to what we eat and what its comprised of.... maybe its just a case of too much change in nutrition and not enough time for the genetics of humans to adapt to them...
     
  9. David - WI

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    I just read an article about the "supposed" increase in food allergies; I wish I could find it again.

    Basically there were 3 main points:

    1) The "real" test for confirming food allergies is extremely time consuming, so it isn't done very often. A lot of doctors just assume "food allergy" based on the symptoms - usually symptoms described by the patient at a later date. Actual "confirmed" food allergies are still pretty rare.

    2) Most people have a single reaction to "something" and they or their doctor assume they are "allergic" to the last thing they ate or the "new" thing they ate; while in reality it could have been caused by some other factor, ingredient, or contamination.

    3) Most (like 75%) of the people who claim to have a "food allergy" have never been treated or tested by a doctor; they are self-diagnosed based on some reaction they had as above. All the hype about food allergies on TV, movies, magazines, etc has people convinced that they "probably have a food allergy".
     
  10. Murray

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    I am not qualified to talk about "food allergies" except from my own personal observations. Those that I have met with supposed "food Allergies" are serial junk food eaters, or at least , used to be. Their poor bodies just start saying "no" to lots of stuff. These days, very few are honest and take the blame for their own stupidity, so they have to have an "allergy" to explain their current dilemma. It is so comforting to be able to report to your friends that you have an "allergy" or a "syndrome", and my Doctor said it's the worst case he has ever seen.

    Badly behaved, ill mannered, poorly parented children have "syndromes" these days instead of calling it what it really is.....bad behavior. The parent can't be at the booze up with their disgusting children and admit they are crap at parenting.....no little Johnny has "attention deficit syndrome" or some other syndrome. They make new ones up every day.
     
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  11. Damon Polta

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    The parents with eppi-pens in case I screw up their food makes me think its more than a behavioral problem bud...

    And most of what I see are children under the age of 5 with little or no time at all to develops poor eating habits..

    Although on a side note, I do think parents are over medicating their kids instead of discipline when it does come to behavior.
     
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    Hi Damon,

    Annaphylaxis (Severe allergic reaction) can be triggered by a lot more than just ingesting food...Epi pens, Anna pens, Auto injectors, are an essential part of life for people who know they suffer Annaphylaxsis.

    I agree, It's more than behavior...It certainly can be a myriad of things and poor parenting may not even be a cause...Although one always benefits from good parenting...

    Cheers.
     
  13. Shellshocked

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    Agreed bigdaddy,

    True anaphylaxis is not a behavioral issue. I have a nephew who is a bit hyper at times (no syndromes just poor behavior :)) but give him a cashew nut and he doesn’t go quiet by choice (and by quiet - I mean dead). I do also agree with Murray that the “syndromes†excuse is used way too often as just a rationalization of poor or lazy parenting for poor child behavior.
     
  14. fishman

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    being someone who suffers from food allergies,i can tell you it very frustrating.Some foods I grew up on I can no longer eat such as apples,limes and normal carton milk( I can have a2 milk though)The worst is sometimes certain combinations of foods may hit me and other times they don't(eg red wine and chocolate). Normally as long as the food is not processed or cooked from scratch and I stay away from certain foods I am ok.I was in Singapore a couple of weeks ago and ate like a pig with no dramas. We stopped giving our kids supermarket bread and made it in a bread maker and the results were startling,better concentration at school and far more pleasant to be around. A friend of my wife's son was diagnosed with all sorts of attention deficit problems by docs with suggestions of drugs to fix.She took a different tack and eliminated problem foods ( he could not even eat red apples )and he became a totally different boy drug free. What worries me is how many doctors out there see drugs as a quick fix(or profitable) and actually don't help at all.As far as medical specialists are concerned I spent nearly $700 doing all these tests and the end result was I was told to "go back and see your gp again".So after all this rant the point is that there are bad parents out there as Murray suggested but you wonder how many would be better off with some correct diet/medical advice reducing the pressure of raising kids.My folks did not have any problems with raising us but we had our own animals and fast food was a long way away
     
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    Oh yeah beer and wine is two of my processed foods which are safe. I still keep checking just to make sure nothing changes cheers Byron
     
  16. Rob

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    I truly and honestly think most of this stuff still comes back to poor food habits.

    I'm witnessing first hand what people are doing with their babies, and it sets the tone for life.

    For some reason they're convinced the a jar of formula is better than what mothers have been feeding young babies for hundreds of thousands of years. They also then consider junk food to be acceptable baby food once they eating.
    It's just ridiculous.

    But as i always say - i respect people's right to make decisions. But i feel bad for the kids who are going to suffer because of it.

    Rob
     
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    Yes, gluten allergy is common but there are some more common allergies like peanut allergy (often makes situation worse), fish allergy, soy allergy and milk allergy though all are not allergies actually. Intolerance to a particular food is also there.
     
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    Hi guys i haven't read all this thread so sorry if someone has already said this. It now appears that sciences believe allergys are a results of our immune system not being trained correctly. This training start when we are borne naturally, breast fed and our exposure to germ in our day to day life as young children. They talk about gut health. You may find this interesting.
    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/gut_reaction_part_1/


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